The Dini Show - Broadcast Wednesday, April 22, 1998

Dr. Roger Leir - Alien Implants

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DINI: A few weeks ago I was interviewing a gentleman by the name of Rob McConnell, he is the founder and publisher of THE 'X' CHRONICLES, it's a magazine (newspaper) that deals with alien and paranormal activity. During that conversation, Rob told me about a doctor in California, Dr. Roger Leir. Dr. Leir has surgically removed implants, seven to date, from people who believe they have been abducted by UFOs. I said, "book him Dano," so through Rob we got in touch with Dr. Leir. Please welcome Dr. Leir.

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Ah, Dr. Leirs background is as a medical doctor. He is a podiatrist. He's done a tremendous amount of research, but your interest in ufology was sparked by your father.

DR. LEIR: That's correct. When I was a young man, I have a very distinct recollection of my father coming into the kitchen and laying the newspaper on the table with the headline, "United States Air Force...Army Air Force Captures A Flying Disk." I never forgot it. It left a very deep impression on me.

DINI: Many years later by coincidence your first cousin, a close friend, close first cousin Dr. Kenneth Ring, in Connecticut, wrote the book, "The Omega Project," which pertained to near-death experiences in UFOs. His time constraints were numerous, he asked you to help out? And you did.

DR. LEIR: Yes, he had finished the book and unknown to me, he had a dual subject looking for a psychological profile that was common to people who had near-death experiences and people who had UFO experiences. So he had a tremendous amount of research material and no longer the time necessary to put into the UFO aspects, so he called me and asked if I would be interested in doing so. And I thought about it for some time and gave him an answer.. the answer was yes and I really didn't know what I had let myself in for.

DINI: You have done seven operations so far?

DR. LEIR: That's correct.

DINI: And you have removed from seven people, men and women, children or men...

DR. LEIR: Men and women.

DINI: You've removed seven implants that were in either the hands or the feet!

DR. LEIR: We had two that were in the foot, we had two that were in legs, we had one that was in the back of the hand, one from the back of a shoulder, and one from the jaw area. Now I... that's not my field of expertise. My field of expertise is in the foot. So I established a surgical team, so we have general surgeons that work with us to do these other surgeries.

DINI: When you've taken these implants out, have you sent them to labs... had them analyzed?

DR. LEIR: yes, we've had extensive analysis done and believe me, we're just scratching the surface. We've used only the most prestigious labs, such as Los Alamos National Laboratory, New Mexico Tech, Stanford University, university of California at San Diego.

DINI: On the screen now they're showing one of the implants. You have them with you?

DR. LEIR: Yes, I do.

DINI: Are these made... these materials, what are they? Are they commonly known materials on this planet?

DR. LEIR: All the elements, we feel that are in the universe are fairly common. Now the thing...

DINI: So we would find the ...aaaaahhhh (Dini drops an implant on the floor)...

DR. LEIR: You just....

DINI: God...

DR. LEIR: ... dropped something from another world.

DINI: I dropped....okay...it's... I didn't hurt it? Can I hurt this thing?

DR. LEIR: Not really. Unless....

DINI: Okay, so... the elements... the elements found in here, can this thing hurt me is a better question? Ah, these are things that we would find here on Earth. What the heck is it do you think? Is it a micro chip? Is it a, what?

DR. LEIR: There's nothing in these specimens to indicate a technology that we are aware of. However, there's some interesting things. This is the results of what is left of a "T" shaped affair, and this "T" has two rods. Now you'll see the one that's indicated, "T1", "T2A" is the horizontal portion of the rod. "T1" "T2B", is the upright or vertical portion. These are composed of eleven different elements surrounding a hard iron ferrite core which is magnetic, and the horizontal rod and a carbon core which is in the perpendicular rod. In addition, to this we have, we have a band of crystals that goes completely around the horizontal rod, and I might bring you back to the early days of radio communication where you were able to take a little stone called a crystal, and a copper coil, and an earphone and a battery and we were able to receive radio waves by simply using this very simple device.

DINI: Excuse me, this one is very obvious to me. Where is the... that little piece at the bottom?

DR. LEIR: Its hiding on the bottom.

DINI: Okay, okay. It's very hard to see.

DR. LEIR: They are extremely magnetic and you have to keep them separated because one will just rush to the other one.

DINI: Because you're a specialist on the foot, this thing that was found in the foot, where was it in? A bone? Was it just stuck in? Was it...

DR. LEIR: That's a very good and interesting question. It was located in the big toe, on either side of one of the bones of the toe. And when I first looked at these x-rays, I thought they were simply products of a bone surgery. And these were deep, within the constituents of the toe, right next to the bone, and that's why when we found the pathology that we did, it was amazing.

DINI: The people who you removed this from, do they have any idea what these things are? I mean, did they come to you and say, "okay, look it's right here in my big toe?," or, "it's right there," or, "it's right here?"

DR. LEIR: Some do have conscious memories of how they think the object got inside the body. Others were discovered by accident. One was a trauma case in which the individual was involved in a car accident and then had the hand and arm x-rayed, and the doctor said, "my goodness, when did you have surgery on your hand?" And he said, "I never had surgery," and he said, "well you certainly do, 'cause you have a little bone stabilization device on here," and he said, "I'm sorry I never had a surgery."

DINI: Wow!

DR. LEIR: The lady with the toe, had stepped on a splinter. And she had gone in and had her foot x-rayed and the doctor looked at it and said the same thing.

DINI. Now wait a minute! These people have been walking around with this thing in their body with no idea, until an x-ray says, "look, you got something in your body," and then they go, "oh. you're crazy... I do." Do these same people who come to know it but through the x-ray then have memory? Do they have memory before? Or to this day do they still go" what the heck happened?"

DR. LEIR: Some have memories that are prior and what we wanted to do is a scientific study, because I am a consummate skeptic. But when you add up the various portions of this scenario and you look at it individually, you come to some rather interesting conclusions. In the first place, being in the medical profession, when you have a foreign body enter the body, no matter where it is, usually going to have some kind of a portal of entry. None of these individuals had any indication. There was no scar, no interruption of the tissue. So that's in itself is rather...

DINI: Hold it.

DR. LEIR: ...strange.

DINI: On the toe, on the hand, these little implants were taken out of peoples' bodies had one very interesting fact. they were covered in a biological membrane? Is that how you would describe it?

DR. LEIR: That's correct.

DINI: That was, so, when they take it out, they of course want to look in it and see what's inside. They are unable to cut the membrane with the scalpel?

DR. LEIR: That's right.

DINI: You couldn't cut it?

DR. LEIR: Couldn't cut through it. And surgical scalpel's, as you know, are very sharp. You can even whittle a bone with one, either on purpose or inadvertently. Hope not inadvertently.

DINI: Right. So, you've sent them... so what they finally say? Let it dry and then they could...it's the only way they could scrape it off.

DR. LEIR: They were dried in a laboratory in Houston, Texas, and then when the was dried we were able to scrape the membrane off of the object itself and then the membrane itself was sent out for analysis.

DINI: Okay, you were skeptic when you started. Where are you now? After how many years?

DR. LEIR: Been doing this for approximately two years.

DINI: So where are we now?

DR. LEIR: Let's say this that, what we have here is literally, the beginning of what looks like is the smoking gun. The physical evidence that will indicate that that perhaps, humanity on this planet has been interfered with by extraterrestrials. And as to what they do, because I try and treat this in a scientific manner, the only thing we can do is lay out certain postulates, or theories. Then they have to be taken back into a laboratory and either tested or proven. A couple of the more popular theories is that they may be devices for tracking, such as we track, you know, wild animals. Or they could be behavior controlling devices. We know that alleged abductees sometimes have compulsive behaviors. They seem to get up in the middle of the night, take their family in the car, go out to a lonely area. So perhaps they are behavior controlling devices.

DINI: Does this scare you?

DR. LEIR: Well, yes it does. A more plausible reason is that they may be devices for looking at things that are going on in the body. That's what we do with our astronauts.

DINI: What scares you? The fact that there might be other forms or that they're......

DR. LEIR: No, I get a little bit upset and annoyed by the nature. You know when I talk to these people and their mouth's quiver, and the tears well in their eyes and run down their face, there's a lot of people who are extremely upset by some kind of a phenomena that's going on.

DINI: Are they all... are all abduction experiences negative? Are there any positive? Are there...

DR. LEIR: That's a very good question. There are a certain number of experiences which people either at the time or later on rationalize to be very positive experiences. Some involve healings. Some involve spirituality. But by enlarge, if you look at the crooks of the matter and you go into the details, someone coming into your house, in the middle of the night, coming through the wall or whatever, and taking your six-year-old daughter to an unknown place, (transmission drop)...with the blood running out of her nose or other parts of the body, without your permission, is not a very nice deed.

DINI: No. It's absolutely terrifying and horrendous and this is what scares the hell out of everybody, and that's what the great fear is. But, now that you have gone from being the complete skeptic to hearing what you're.... you now get to join the ranks of the people who are called complete "quacks" and laughed at. How does that feel?

DR. LEIR: Well, it's an interesting scenario but when you're involved with this, and you're dealing with, let's say, the medical community, I've been in practice for some thirty-four years, and the individuals that know me, they don't laugh, don't consider me a quack. I've been in a certain amount of medical literature. Last year I was all over the world. We did a number of conferences. Some at medical schools and universities. So....

DINI: I do not deny that your colleagues and the people who know you understand your credentials and your credibility, but you understand my point. That when you go out in public and say these things, because of fear or whatever, people, or just because people believe we are alone in the universe, they will call you these names. And I am sure that they must have.

DR. LEIR: They have never called it to my face....

DINI: Well, of course they wouldn't.

DR. LEIR: ..and....

DINI: They're not that brave.

DR. LEIR: ...I've never really had rumblings behind my back. There's a certain amount of Internet stuff that goes on but, I heard nothing, nothing but positive things.

DINI: So we...

DR. LEIR: I just finished a book called "The Aliens and the Scalpel.".... and the scalpel.

DINI: Why did you... what's that mean?

DR. LEIR: Well, it's just the title, which....

DINI: How did you get "The Aliens and the Scalpel"? You mean because you go in and take the implants out or something?

DR. LEIR: Well, it's because we're finding substances which are alien to the human body.

DINI: So, these people... you're not...if you'd known all this two years ago, do you think you might have wanted to wander down this path? Cause look where you are now! Can't turn back now, can we?

DR. LEIR: No, but that's sort of indicative of a lot of my life. It's sort of been extreme, one synchronistic event after the other.

DINI: Okay, answer me this. Tonight, or tomorrow night, or next week, you wake up and you look out and (transmission drop) they're there on your front lawn, and the door opens. Would you go down and walk in? Would you go?

DR. LEIR: Being that I'm scientifically minded and cursed with a great curiosity, I would probably walk right up to 'em.

DINI: It's been fascinating to meet you. I'm really.... I'm honored that you came this far, and I really appreciate your time, and I certainly respect your work and your opinions and I want to thank-you for joining us.

DR. LEIR: Well, it's been my pleasure... In deed.

DINI: We're going to take a break. We'll be back in just a moment.